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Common Ground by n0deal Common Ground by n0deal
One of thelambofgod's [link] pieces got me inspired to do a little bit of political art. So here you have it laid out before you, the death toll of innocent people killed since September 11th, in the war on terrorism. Funny how you don't hear about this on CNN... [link]

Inform yourself. Knowledge is power.
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Triadbeast Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2007
wheres your source?

you should do a piece on the death toll by terrorist against Europe and America, and against various middle eastern countries.

alot more middle eastern civilians get murdered by terrorists and muslims than then us other people.
SolarPhoto Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2005
You need a updated deviation, the numbers here are nothing compared to what it is now....
HiddenWolf Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2005
Great. And painfully true.
cosmy Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2004
:heart: this one!!! God, it's amazing!!!
cqp Featured By Owner May 4, 2004   Writer
CNN is just propaganda. You gotta check out the lesser known places like drudgereport. Either way this sent a chill down my spine and I'm sure the numbers are more one sided by know. +fav
kgx Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2004
A chill went down my spine as I saw this :o Very well done! So sad though :(
zapdude Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2004
i hate to be a git but there was 500,000 children killed in the Iraq war so erm.... I don't know how to put this but if your tring to be cool dont. You also probably dont here about all the dead people in Iraq on 'CNN' either do ya?
n0deal Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're right, the mainstream media rarely reports those kind of numbers. They are too preoccupied with how many GIs have been KIA. How many Iraqi lives does it take to equal one of an American soldier?

As far as the rest of your comment goes, I am not trying to be cool and yes you are being a git. You're missing the point of this piece. A piece which I'd like to point out was submitted to DA over two years ago. Long before the war on Iraq.
zapdude Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2004
oh cool, thought you were one of them CNN biased twats or annoying patriots who DeNy EvErYtHiNg. Oh well, as long as you aint a patriot....
damage-done Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2003
Didnt read all the recent comments so someone might have already said this but now the total is up to something like 20,000 innocents dead in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[sarcasm] But as long as we prevent another event like 9/11 it is worth it ! We cant let another 3000 innocent people die ! [/sarcasm]
n0deal Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks for the info. I hadn't looked into the stats in awhile.
Kia22 Featured By Owner Dec 23, 2003
I don't want to start a fight,but may I ask? Was it better to go in to harms way to engage evil on it's door step, of to alow it to continue to hurt the inocent and weight for it to come for us agin? But none the less a nice piece though.
n0deal Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't get me wrong, I think that the removal of the Taliban regime was a good thing, much more so than the US action in Iraq. In fact it's deplorable that the free nations of the world didn't act against the Taliban sooner than they did but they didn't need a scapegoat until after 9/11.

This piece is meant to illustrate that the loss of human life, no matter what religion, skin colour or nationality, is a horrific thing. It's a shame that so many people dismiss the pain and suffering that occurs daily in countries like Afghanistan as just another 30 second news reel.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
osyris Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2003
Knowledge is meaningless without action. Are you willing to blaze a new trail and finish the story? You have compleated step one and two: gain knowledge and share knowledge. Now you must use the knowledge to chage what is around you.
scart Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2003
Glad someone finally made this point and that you did it so well.

A few things:

himynameiznate: "I think the important distinction here is, who attacked first?"

I wasn't aware any Iraqi children had attacked anyone, first or last. Saddam and Bin laden are 2 completely different people, despite the medias (and "others") attempt to blur reality.

and the hits continue:

Great work n0deal

decline Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2003
"I believe that death happens for everyone at an appointed time."
Rai-Kuga Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2003  Professional General Artist
That is really good. I was kinda hoping I'd find somthing along this tonight...So all I can say is thankyou. It has very deep meaning to me.
jungledreamz Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2003
This is perfect. *fav
crayzwords Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2003
LOVE IT - FAV IT !!!! no doubt here

i love your critical works and the design kick ass - this mixture rules dude !!!

keep it rockin - Im watching you on my other account ;) (Wink)
himynameiznate Featured By Owner Jan 9, 2003  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the important distinction here is, who attacked first?

Innocents die, but we didnt start killing them by any means.

And its a bit misleading to call them all innocents.
No doubt, some of the people on both sides who have died were quite evil, we just dont know about it. I dont believe anyone is ever truly innocent, and I believe that death happens for everyone at an appointed time.

But thats just me :) (Smile)
alcoholic Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2002   Writer
The war on terrorism starts at the white house.
drippingblood Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2002
Actually it's wallpaper size, This is going on my desktop to remind not only myself but my other family members that innocent people are dying nearly everyday.
drippingblood Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2002
You rock me man. Your the shit.

devilmech Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2002
This fills me with the rage needed to complete my next piece of poliart. Thank you, you are very inspiring, and I think this piece should be postered in our schools, so our children know the truth of what we have done. THere is no way to was the blood from our hands
hellblazer Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2002

Well stated.
juhae Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2002   Photographer
Honest. True. Sad.

I find every death unacceptable, glad to see there are others who are concerned about the same matter, too.
pdxcabby Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2002
simply wow... erisian [link] dropped me a link to this in a responce to the short journal entry i wrote yesterday. I want to print this to hand out to the next ani-war rally in portland, set it to the default wallpaper at every computer at my work and every other computer i come in contact with, pass out copies on the bus, etc....

very good, very true

just simply awesome in its true sence of the word...
sirethomas Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2002  Professional General Artist
yea! exactly! good point!

very nice design.

just ignore *phlezk's comment. that was meaning less and he dont deserve any attention cause that's what he wants.
phlezk Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2002

they all deserve to die

al3xis Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2002
While I agree with going after the ones responsible for the 9/11 tragedy I am also against the killing of more innocent people that had nothing to do with this. Like no one had any right to take the lives of those that died on September 11, no government has the right to do the same, though I understand its reason it just hurts to know how many innocent people have died and will die in a quest to stop it from happening again.
Anyway very nice dev, you really get the point across, in the end we are all the same. Keep up the good work.
nw909 Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2002
i love this peice and its going right into my fav's
niteangel Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2002
exactly...US killed even more...and revenge doesn't work at you all know... ;) (Wink)
radiantflux Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2002
this is.... very, open minded. as the forum about sept 11th on DA has turned into a whole political fiasco of a debate. i commend you fot taking both sides, and understanding the hurt everyone has.
chinchillaz Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2002
Fuckin' a, n0deal!!! This is righteous, man. You are perfectly on target. Excellent job!!
paroxysm Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2002
now THAT's what i call an accurate tribute. hats-off!
heavydistortion Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2002
Oh. It's super old. Durh.
heavydistortion Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2002
Incredibly good and straight to the point. Why the hell did this not show up in my deviantWATCH?! :| (Blank Stare)
reality23 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2002
Very good work. Very very good. Straight to the fucking point. It reminds me of the whole BlackHawk down siutation to. Overkill being the theme. A handfull of Americans to over a thousand Somolians? And the Americans shouldn't have been there in the first place, but now it's a movie about American courage and heroism. Bullshit. I'm sure there are a lot more Afghanis dead than that now. And what did we gain? A bunch of hollow patriotism as marketed by flags made in communist China ofr pennies a day by sweatshop workers. Adding this to my faves straight away.
cheba2 Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2002
violence never sloves anything! nice piece
elmo-lester Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2002
oops forgot to add this to favs, gonna do it now!
elmo-lester Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2002
nice to see that some people on here actually THINK about what's going on and not believe all the bullshit on CNN. Fantastic Pic. Sad though!
q3c Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2002
Could get some kerning job - but "now we have something in common" is just stunning.

100% pro
ciudadlejana Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2002
i love what lamb said!
this piece is very powerful in that it says so much with little effort
very well composed
excellent use of b/w with just a touch of red to emphasize
Reality is a constant source of pain -- Anas Nin
mimle Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2002
a very good point. couldn't agree more. great work.
namaste Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2002
Very good point, and well presented.

You neglected to point out that thousands of innocent people die of starvation every day in Afghanistan. The death toll is unheralded, uneulogized, shrugged off as somehow less important than the same number of deaths caused by a skyscraper destroyed.

Is common ground ever possible with this from our comfort level? Can we ever wrap our heads around it?

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All your images of winter I see against your sky. -Hafiz
kgcreative Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2002  Professional General Artist
Powerful, Strong, Emotional Piece. +Fav!
Curiosity was Framed.
Ignorance Killed the Cat. Four by Six Adopt a Deviant!
Hameed Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2002  Professional Digital Artist
Good work, its a shame most people will forget it way too soon.
simba Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2002
Powerful piece man! Well done.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
stupidperson Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2002
wow... instant favorite... and new wallie! :D (Big Grin) i love the message you're putting across here... people whine about how they attacked us, but forget all of the times america has gone done things to middle eastern countries for our own greedy reasons (oil and such). and now we are in their country murdering many innocent people... more than they did... bah. i could go on forever... about stuff you are most likely aware of. :) (Smile) hmm... surprised lordjax isn't telling you to move to afghanistan... ( 8628 ... just check some of his comments toward me....)
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